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Kha · Oct 24, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

Holy Hell! Someone, quick, I need 200 CC's of sarcasm detection for this patient, STAT! Although, for the sake of trolling...

OMG! You used sarcasm? Oh I didn't know! How stupid of me.

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

Instead, we have pay more money, get .... the same stuff, just faster. No thanks anet, I, and the places I allow to employ me, decide the value of my time. I'll be getting the full pve version, and spending whatever time I see fit on it.

That's great for you, but since people wanted this as Gaile pointed out, it's obviously worth something to someone. Just because you don't find something of value doesn't mean it won't have value.

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Originally Posted by discordant

Also, a person's time is most certainly worth money, not even taking into account their salary. Each person has a limited amount of time and so any activity they do has an opportunity cost associated with it, representing what they could have been doing with their time instead. This opportunity cost can be translated to money, and is the reason I didn't buy the full version of Factions at this point. Paying $40 is worth more to me than spending the time grinding skills when a new chapter is about to be released.

Sanji · Oct 24, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

I'm glad to see this addition. I would have liked for it to be a little cheaper, but that's just me. I can understand the price being what it is, though. I've had first hand experience seeing how unpopular* this idea is. I attribute this to certain chunks of Guild Wars' userbase being on opposite ends of a seesaw. All taking turns screaming "This is an outrage!" at each other on the forums.

*http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ferrerid=92302

*lemming* · Oct 24, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

woooooooooooooooooooooot.

The Great Al · Oct 24, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

You can get the game for probably 40 bucks now, and aren't pvp unlocks only like 10 bucks anyway? I think the price is probably a ripoff, but since I own both games and will own nightfall, I can't complain. This is something that doesn't effect me or 99% of the GW population in any way, shape, or form, so if people want to shell out 40 bucks for this, then they can go right ahead.

Sanji · Oct 24, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

You can get the game for probably 40 bucks now, and aren't pvp unlocks only like 10 bucks anyway? I think the price is probably a ripoff, but since I own both games and will own nightfall, I can't complain. This is something that doesn't effect me or 99% of the GW population in any way, shape, or form, so if people want to shell out 40 bucks for this, then they can go right ahead.

This differs in two major ways from the previous pay to unlock platform.

While I did say I would like it cheaper, it is now a -steal- compared to what it was earlier.

1) It was something like 10-20 dollars per profession before. Now it is 40 dollars and it unlocks all skills of every profession in that chapter.
2) Previously you had to own the corresponding chapter to buy the unlock packs. Now you can buy the PvP Pack without previously owning that chapter.

So isn't doesn't cost more than 100 bucks to unlock all the skills in a -single chapter- without touching PvE, it is merely 40 dollars with the stipulation that the characters you make for that chapter can be PvP only. Assuming that you do not later buy the regular package to be able to access it. Which I'm sure would work fine for Anet since you basically end up paying them 90 for one chapter.

daraaksii · Oct 24, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

/me hopes for Nightfall unlock..

Abdul · Oct 24, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Do Factions PvP only customers gain access to Alliance Battles / Fort Aspenwood / Jade Ghost Town?

elLOCOmutha · Oct 24, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by daraaksii

/me hopes for Nightfall unlock..

Me also, I cant wait to get the PvP Nightfall unlocks!

Clusmas · Oct 24, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Abdul

Do Factions PvP only customers gain access to Alliance Battles / Fort Aspenwood / Jade Ghost Town?

I'd also like to know this.

JR · Oct 24, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

It's not just about what you get, but how it is provided, as well. You are correct, you can purchase the full game for just $10 more. But the PvP Edition is not just a PvP version of the game, this is instant unlock of all skills. For that, it's not over priced at all, and in fact, the cost is right in line with what many players commented would be the correct price to pay.

Indeed it is, and much appreciated! I certainly will be purchasing a PvP edition in addition to my existing account.

<3

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

The time you spend on playing a game has no monetary value. No one's paying you for it. Unlocking skills costs exactly nothing, as the time you spend doing it is worth no dollars. See, the "time spent farming money or faction" is worth... $0, the time spent running to the priest is worth... $0, the time getting skill points is worth... $0.

Welcome to the real world, where people pay for convenience.

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

No one's going to pay you for those

Bold statement considering the PvP edition with unlocks has long been very highly requested by the PvP community, with a poll showing that about $40 was a fair price for it.

(And by 'bold', I of course mean 'stupid'.)

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

The best you get is comparing your salary to the arbitrary value Anet decided on for the unlocks... which really doesn't get us anywhere, since the unlocks don't actually cost anet a dime. it costs them no more to store ones in a database than it costs to store zeros.

Companies want to make money. Last I checked Anet wasn't a charity, giving to needy gamers. They has a marketable product in the form of this PvP edition, they would be silly not to charge for it.

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

No thanks anet, I, and the places I allow to employ me, decide the value of my time. I'll be getting the full pve version, and spending whatever time I see fit on it. Which, of course, is the whole point.

I get a mostly fixed value of "fun" per unit time spent playing.

Some people don't enjoy grinding skill unlocks. Some people want to cut straight to the endgame PvP content. If you have so much worthless free time, or enjoy the grind so much, fine. Please don't assume that everyone else is in the same boat.

Gert Butterfing · Oct 24, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Only concern I have is the the Factions only gives access to 6 out of the 8 profession skill sets:

Says the same on both EU and US pages

No Assassin or Ritualist skills then?

Cacheelma · Oct 24, 2006, 09:29 AM // 09:29

I smell typo.

Hengis · Oct 24, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Since your Nightfall Heros can use any unlocked skill on your account, if you bought the PVP pack and added it to a full account for Nightfall, would this then give your PVE heros absolutely every skill in the game without you doing anything at all to get them?

I am not sure how I feel about this at the moment.

SaucE · Oct 24, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

I think its a good deal. If you were to but the full game @ $50, then the unlock pack @ $40 to get all the skills plus access to the assassin and ritualist it will cost you $90. The PvP pack gives you access to the assassin and ritualist and all Factions skills unlocked @ $40. Seems like a deal to me!

Nevin · Oct 24, 2006, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

39.99 for the PvP side?

.....

Talk about way to expensive, for just ten bucks more you could buy the entire game.

I'd say they should reduce this price to around 25 dollers, mostly because I'm a money-grubber....

Nobodies going to pay 40 bucks for the PvP version, when they could buy the entire game for 10 dollers more, its almost a waste of money.

you don't understand, it has EVERYTHING unlocked.

lyra_song · Oct 24, 2006, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by Nevin

you don't understand, it has EVERYTHING unlocked.

It just says skills though...doesnt say mods/runes >.>

DreamWind · Oct 24, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

It sounds fair enough. I don't have too much problem with the cost, it is about right for all of the unlocks and the PvP content. I think this idea is far better than the previous and highly overpriced pvp unlock packs. At least now you also get the PvP content with the skills. My only concern about this new offer is whether or not it unlocks the runes and weapon mods.

My biggest gripe however is this: The people who would pay for this (heavy pvp players) ALREADY have prophecies and factions unlocked. So this really doesn't do much for them. If Anet was to release a Nightfall version of this on the day of the Nigthfall release it would sell like hotcakes. But I don't think they will do that because they want to sell more copies of the regular game. So for those hardcore pvp players who requested this, it doesn't add anything for them because they will still have to grind through Nightfall.

Phoebe · Oct 24, 2006, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Gert Butterfing

Only concern I have is the the Factions only gives access to 6 out of the 8 profession skill sets:

Says the same on both EU and US pages

No Assassin or Ritualist skills then?

570 skills = All Core skills + All Factions skills including Assassin & Ritualist skills

immortius · Oct 24, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

My biggest gripe however is this: The people who would pay for this (heavy pvp players) ALREADY have prophecies and factions unlocked. So this really doesn't do much for them. If Anet was to release a Nightfall version of this on the day of the Nigthfall release it would sell like hotcakes. But I don't think they will do that because they want to sell more copies of the regular game. So for those hardcore pvp players who requested this, it doesn't add anything for them because they will still have to grind through Nightfall.

True enough. As I see it, this PvP editions mainly benefit completely new players who are only interested in PvP and wish to skip at least some of the grind (grind which was quite likely the reason they didn't purchase the games in the first place).

Anyone able to report whether the Factions pack gives access to the Factions PvP areas?

Blackhawk · Oct 24, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

No, we're not going to start splitting out PvE and PvP and sell them separately; that's not at all what the PvP Edition is about. This is a choice, an option, and one that has been requested since Day One. As everyone says, "Choice is good."

Choice is indeed good and I'd rather choose to have a PvE Edition which doesn't have all the nerfs in it to balance PvP which screw up the PvE game.